Vote for Change? Atrocity-Linked U.S. Officials Advising Democratic, GOP Presidential Frontrunners
dvisers to Hillary Rodham Clinton include many former top
officials in President Clintonâ€™s administration: former Secretary of
State Madeleine Albright, former National Security Adviser Samuel
Berger, former UN Ambassador Richard Holbrooke. Senator Barack Obamaâ€™s
list includes President Carterâ€™s National Security Adviser Zbigniew
Brzezinski, former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, former Middle
East negotiator Dennis Ross.
Rudolph Giulianiâ€™s advisers
include Norman Podhoretz, one of the fathers of the neoconservative
movement. John McCainâ€™s list of official and formal policy advisers
includes former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, General Colin
Powell, William Kristol of The Weekly Standard, and former CIA Director
James Woolsey. One of Mitt Romneyâ€™s top advisers is Cofer Black, the
former CIA official who now serves as vice chair of Blackwater
Worldwide. Vice President Dick Cheneyâ€™s daughter Elizabeth is advising
As for Mike Huckabee, itâ€™s not clear. In
December, Huckabee listed former UN Ambassador John Bolton as someone
with whom he either has â€œspoken or will continue to speak,â€ but Bolton
then revealed the two had never spoken. Huckabee also named Richard
Allen, but the former National Security Adviser also admitted he had
never spoken to Huckabee.
To talk more about the advisers
behind the presidential campaigns, Iâ€™m joined by two guests. Kelley
Vlahos is a freelance journalist in Washington. Her article on
presidential advisers called â€œWar Whisperersâ€ appeared in The American
Conservative in October. Investigative journalist Allan Nairn joins us
here in the firehouse studio. We welcome you both to Democracy Now!
want to begin by going to Washington, D.C., to our guest there, to the
author of â€œWar Whisperers.â€ Talk about why you focused, Kelley, on the
advisers of the presidential candidates.
: Well, it was becoming clear to me and to others here in
Washington in certain circles that the advisers that were emerging for
the campaigns, whether it be Democratic or Republican, were part of
some seriously pro-establishment cliques. And I say â€œcliques,â€ because
there is really no other way to describe it. But these cliques
generally can be categorized as not only pro-establishment, but more
pro-interventionist, whether it be the so-called liberal
interventionists on the Democratic side or your war hawks on the
But what became clear is that the
candidates werenâ€™t reaching outside of these establishment cliques and
that they were getting no fresh ideas, no vision outside of these
pretty standard parameters. And we thoughtâ€”me and the editors thought
it might be a good idea to explore a little bit under the surface about
where these of advisers were coming from, in hopes of maybe deciphering
where foreign policy might be going in the future.
AMY GOODMAN: Letâ€™s begin with Hillary Clinton, Kelley Vlahos.
BEAUCAR VLAHOS: OK. Well, Hillary Clintonâ€™sâ€”her foreign policy team can
be best described asâ€”and I hate to use this word so casually,
butâ€”â€œthrowbacksâ€ of her husbandâ€™s administration. We have, you know,
Richard Holbrooke, Madeleine Albright, you have Sandy Berger as your
sort of top-tier advisers, your key advisers, the most recognized
faces. And then, beyond that, as I say in the article, you have this
newer generationâ€”I want to say newer generation, but a generation of
former Clinton types who you might not recognize their names, but
theyâ€™ve been around for a long time and are seriously scrambling for
position in what they see as a new Clinton administration. So youâ€™re
seeing a lot of old faces, old names, who havenâ€™t really changed their
ideas from, you know, what I and others can see, in terms of doing the
research, havenâ€™t changed their real vision of the world and foreign
policy since the 1990s.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me bring Allan
Nairn into this conversation. You have just written about the advisers,
as well, on your blog, newsc.blogspot.com
. Elaborate further on Hillary
: Well, I think one thing
you could say about the advisers for all the candidates who have a
chance is that the presence of these advisers makes it clear that these
candidates arenâ€™t serious about enforcing the murder laws and that
theyâ€™re willing to kill civilians, foreign civilians, en masse in order
to advance US policy. And theyâ€™re not serious about law and order.
Theyâ€™re soft on crime.
And start with Clinton. Madeleine
Albright, she was the main force behind the Iraq sanctions that killed
more than 400,000 Iraqi civilians. General Wesley Clark, he was the one
who ran the bombing of Serbia in the former Yugoslavia, came out and
publicly said that he was going after civilian targets, like electrical
plants, like the TV station there. Richard Holbrooke, in the Carter
administration he was the one who oversaw the shipment of weapons to
the Indonesian military as they were invadingâ€”illegally invading East
Timor and killing a third of the population there, and he was the one
who kept the UN Security Council from enforcing its resolution against
that invasion. Strobe Talbott, he was the one who, during the Clinton
administration, oversaw Russia policy, a backing of Yeltsin, which
resulted in turning over the national wealth to the oligarchs and a
drop in life expectancy in much of Russia of about fifteen
yearsâ€”massive, massive death. And you have various backers of the Iraq
invasion and occupation and the recent escalation, people like General
Jack Keane, Michael Oâ€™Hanlon and others. Thatâ€™s just Clinton.
AMY GOODMAN: Barack Obama?
NAIRN: Well, Obamaâ€™s top adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski
gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he
boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan
jihadi movement, the movement that produced Osama bin Laden. And he was
asked by the interviewer, â€œWell, donâ€™t you think this might have had
some bad consequences?â€ And Brzezinski replied, â€œAbsolutely not. It was
definitely worth it, because we were going after the Soviets. We were
getting the Soviets.â€ Another top Obama personâ€”
GOODMAN: I think his comment actually was, â€œWhatâ€™s a few riled-up
Muslims?â€ And this, that whole idea of blowback, the idea of arming,
financing, training the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets,
including Osama bin Laden, and then when theyâ€™re done with the Soviets,
they set their sights, well, on the United States.
NAIRN: Right. And later, during Bill Clintonâ€™s administration, during
the Bosnia killing, the US actually flew some of the Afghan Mujahideen,
the early al-Qaeda peopleâ€”the US actually arranged for them to be flown
from there to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim/NATO side.
key Obama adviser, Anthony Lake, he was the main force behind the US
invasion of Haiti in the mid-Clinton years during which they brought
back Aristide essentially in political chains, pledged to support a
World Bank/IMF overhaul of the economy, which resulted in an increase
in malnutrition deaths among Haitians and set the stage for the current
ongoing political disaster in Haiti.
adviser, General Merrill McPeak, an Air Force man, who not long after
the Dili massacre in East Timor in â€™91 that you and I survived, he
wasâ€”I happened to see on Indonesian TV shortly after thatâ€”there was
General McPeak overseeing the delivery to Indonesia of US fighter
Another key Obama adviser, Dennis Ross. Ross, for
many years under both Clinton and Bush 2, a keyâ€”he has advised Clinton
and both Bushes. He oversaw US policy toward Israel/Palestine. He
pushed the principle that the legal rights of the Palestinians, the
rights recognized under international law, must be subordinated to the
needs of the Israeli governmentâ€”in other words, their desires, their
desires to expand to do whatever they want in the Occupied Territories.
And Ross was one of the people who, interestingly, led the political
assault on former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. Carter, no
peacenikâ€”I mean, Carter is the one who bears ultimate responsibility
for that Timor terror that Holbrooke was involved in. But Ross led an
assault on him, because, regarding Palestine, Carter was so bold as to
agree with Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa that what Israel was
doing in the Occupied Territories was tantamount to apartheid. And so,
Ross was one of those who fiercely attacked him.
Obama adviser, Sarah Sewall, who heads a human rights center at Harvard
and is a former Defense official, she wrote the introduction to General
Petraeusâ€™s Marine Corps/Army counterinsurgency handbook, the handbook
that is now being used worldwide by US troops in various killing
operations. Thatâ€™s the Obama team.
AMY GOODMAN: John Edwards?
NAIRN: Well, Edwards is a little different. The list of his foreign
advisers is not as complete, so itâ€™s not as clear exactly where they
may be coming from, but itâ€™s interesting. Last night on TV, one of the
top Edwards advisers, â€œMudcatâ€ Saunders, was complaining about the fact
that there are 35,000 lobbyists in Washington. And it appears, from the
Edwards list, that many of the military lobbyists are working on the
Edwards foreign policy team, because the names thatâ€”the Edwards names
that are out there mainly come from the Army and the Air Force and the
Navy Material Command. Those are the portions of the Pentagon that do
the Defense contracts, that do the deals with the big companies like
Raytheon and Boeing, etc. One of those listed on the Edwards team is
the lobbyist for the big military contractor EADS. So, although Edwards
talks about going after lobbyists, if he tries to go after the military
lobbyists, he may get a little blowback from his own advisers.
AMY GOODMAN: Are you saying that thereâ€™s no difference between these candidates?
NAIRN: Well, fundamentally, thereâ€™s no difference on the basic
principle of, are you against the killing of civilians and are you
willing to enforce the murder laws. If we were willing to enforce the
murder laws, the headquarters of each of these candidates could be
raided, and various advisers and many candidates could be hauled away
by the cops, because they have backed various actions that, under
established principles like the Nuremberg Principles, like the
principles set up in the Rwanda tribunals, the Bosnia tribunals, things
that are unacceptable, like aggressive war, like the killing of
civilians for political purposes. So, in a basic sense, there is no
But there is a difference in this sense: the US is
so vastly powerful, the US influences and has the potential to end so
many millions of lives around the world, that if, letâ€™s say, you have
two candidates that are 99% the sameâ€”thereâ€™s only 1% difference between
themâ€”if youâ€™re talking about decisions that affect a million livesâ€”1%
of a million is 10,000â€”thatâ€™s 10,000 lives. So, even though itâ€™s a
bitter choice, if you choose the one who is going to kill 10,000 fewer
people, well, then youâ€™ve saved 10,000 lives. We shouldnâ€™t be limited
to that choice. Itâ€™s unacceptable. And Americans should start to
realize that itâ€™s unacceptable.
But thatâ€™s the choice we
have at the moment. In Iowa, I think there are steps people could take
to start to challenge that system, if they wanted to.
GOODMAN: Well, weâ€™ll talk about that in a minute, and weâ€™ll continue to
talk about the advisers. Our guests are Allan Nairn and Kelley Beaucar
Vlahos. Weâ€™ll be back with them both in a minute.
GOODMAN: We continue this discussion about the advisers to the
presidential candidates, the men and women behind the men and women who
are running today. Our guests are Kelley Beaucar Vlahos, a freelance
journalist in Washington, wrote a piece in The American Conservative
called â€œWar Whisperers: The 2008 Hopefuls Promised a Change in Foreign
Policy Then Hired the Old Guard.â€ We are also joined by independent
investigative journalist Allan Nairn. He writes a blog called
newsc.blogspot.com. His piece today on this issue is called â€œThe US
Election is Already Over. Murder and Preventable Death Have Won.â€
Beaucar Vlahos, would you like to add to any of the advisers Allan just
talked about? And then weâ€™ll move on to the Republicans.
BEAUCAR VLAHOS: Well, I think Allan has covered most of it and pretty
thoroughly. I agree with him that there is very little difference among
these people, and I think what he said really speaks to the idea and
the challenge that there is no incentive for these candidates to reach
out beyond any of this orbit or galaxy of foreign policy advisers who
have been linked in, you know, weâ€™re talking decades of war and events
and actions and operations. And there seems, whether it be John Edwards
reaching out to the Defense contracting community or Hillary Clinton
reaching out to her husbandâ€™s former security advisers and operatives
or whether itâ€™s Obama reaching out to former Clinton types, there
doesnâ€™t seem to be any incentive to reach out beyond that. It seems
like there is a stranglehold in this town on the kind of advisers that
one is supposed to be linked with.
And I think a lot of
that is linked to money, where, you know, the candidates have big
names, big lobbyists; that in turn brings them in more funders, more
bundlers. And itâ€™s sort of like this hand-in-glove symbiotic
relationship, where the bigger names you have, the more familiar names,
the more entrenched you have in these cliques I spoke to previously,
the more money youâ€™re bringing into your campaign. So thereâ€™s no
incentive to go beyond that, unless youâ€™re ready for some amount of
rebuke and some of the spigot being turned off.
GOODMAN: I mean, actually, in terms of money, Allan Nairn, someone like
Obama raises an enormous amount of money from just the grassroots.
NAIRN: Yeah, Obamaâ€”thatâ€™s a very telling example. Like Dean in the last
campaign, Obama has the ability to get all the money he needs from the
middle class through the internet, through $50, $80, $100
contributions. He actually doesnâ€™t need to finance his campaign, to go
to the hedge funds, to go to Wall Street. But he does anyway. And he
does, I think, because if he doesnâ€™t, they wouldnâ€™t trust him. They
might think that heâ€™s on the wrong team, and they might start attacking
him. He is someone who, in terms of the money he needs for his
campaign, he could afford to come out for single-payer healthcare, for
example, but he doesnâ€™t. He doesnâ€™t need money from the health
insurance industry, thatâ€™s wasting several percentage points of the
American GDP in a way that no other industrial rich country in the
world does, yet he chooses not to do that, because he doesnâ€™t want to
be attacked by those corporations.
AMY GOODMAN: And is Edwards and Clinton any different on those issues?
NAIRN: Not as far as I can tell. None of them have come out for single
payer. The only one who came out for single payer was Kucinich.
Campaign contributions is just one of many tools that rich people have
to get their way. There are basically two parallel factors in any
democracy. One is one person, one vote. The other is one dollar, one
vote. And those two are mixed together. So, although the people do have
some say, there are usually a lot more dollars out there than people,
and they find ways of prevailing in the end, unless the people become
aggressive and disruptive and demanding and threaten to shake the
system so that big concessions are made.
Kelley Beaucar Vlahos, letâ€™s go to the Republicans: Giuliani, Mitt
Romney, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, John McCain. Give us a few of
KELLEY BEAUCAR VLAHOS: Well, Giuliani, as
you had mentioned, and you had a pretty thorough list of people, but
Giuliani is probably strikinglyâ€”strikingly is reaching out to the most
strident neoconservatives on the scene today. He has familiar
neoconservatives on his team, like you said: Norman Podhoretz, also
Daniel Pipes, whoâ€”and I donâ€™t remember if you had mentioned, butâ€”has
been leading the charge against â€œIslamofascismâ€ on college campuses,
has put out his Campus Watch, in terms of going after professors that
he deems are not pro-Israel enough. He has other less familiar names,
like Martin Kramer, Stephen Rosen, Peter Berkowitz of the Hoover
Institution. He has basically a small galaxy of neoconservatives from
familiar think tanks as the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage
Foundation, Hoover, the Hudson.
And basically, I mean,
just to start, you know, with Giuliani, because I think he has the most
poignant list of people in terms of where you would think that his
foreign policy strategy is moving, he has basicallyâ€”and I said this in
my articleâ€”has taken the Bush Doctrine, has just pumped it up with
steroids. He is fully on boardâ€”he always has beenâ€”with the Bush
Doctrine. His people behind him are. Weâ€™re talking about
no-holds-barred forward with the war on terror, the war against
â€œIslamofascism.â€ He believes that the war on terror is a grand war
versus good and evil. He is not shy to say that, his people arenâ€™t shy
to say that. Heâ€™s fully in grip of these people and the Bush Doctrine.
you know, if you want to see where the Rudy Giulianiâ€”President Rudy
Giuliani will take us, you just look at the Bush Doctrine as if the
Iraq war never happened or, better yet, the problems that have arisen
from the Iraq war have never happened, because Rudy Giuliani doesnâ€™t
seem to acknowledge any of that. Any issues before the surge are
incidental. You know, everything is moving forward, and his policy team
is right there backing him.
AMY GOODMAN: Allan Nairn, more on Rudolph Giuliani, and then to Mitt Romney.
NAIRN: Giuliani, as was mentioned, his big adviser is Norman Podhoretz.
Podhoretzâ€™s new book is World War IV, which he seems to like. Podhoretz
says, bomb the Iranians. And heâ€™s not just talking about pinpoint
Iranian nuclear installations; heâ€™s saying bomb the Iranians. And he
says he prays that this will happen. Ex-Senator Robert Kasten, an old
major backer of the Pakistani military dictatorships and the Suharto
dictatorship in Indonesia, heâ€™s another key Giuliani adviser.
has General Alexander Haig, who oversaw the US policy of mass terror
killings of civilians in Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and
Honduras, when American nuns and religious workers were abducted, raped
and murdered by the Salvadoran National Guard. General Haig said those
nuns died in an exchange of gunfire, the pistol-packing nuns. He has a
youngerâ€”McCain has a younger adviser, Max Boot, who now points to El
Salvador, where 70,000 civilians were killed by American-backed death
squads, as a model counterinsurgency, a model for what the US should be
doing today. Henry Kissinger advises McCain, as he advises many others.
And Kissinger, of course, was responsible for mass death in Cambodia,
Vietnam, Chile, countless other places. Bud McFarlane from the Reagan
administration, who was a key backer of the Contras. Brent Scowcroft,
who these days is popular with some liberals because he opposesâ€”he
opposed the Iraq invasion, who is a leader of the realist schoolâ€”the
realist school basically says, yes, kill civilians, but make sure you
win the war, as opposed to the Bush-Cheney school, which has been
killing civilians but losing the war, as the US has been doing until
recently in Iraq and is now starting to do in Afghanistanâ€”Scowcroft was
the one who, during the Bush 1 administration, went to China right
after the Tiananmen Square massacre and reassured the Chinese
leadership, â€œDonâ€™t worry about it, weâ€™re still behind you.â€
as you mentioned, Romney has Cofer Black, a longtime CIA operative who
was one of the key people behind the invasion of Afghanistan. During
the course of that, according to Bob Woodward, he went in and said,
â€œWeâ€™re going to go into Afghanistan. Weâ€™re going to cut their heads
off.â€ Heâ€™s the one who organized Detachment 88 in Indonesia just
recently, the supposed antiterrorist outfit that recently went after a
Papuan human rights lawyer. Two key figures in backing the old US
policy in Central America, Mark Falcoff and Roger Noriega, are also on
the Romney team. And Dan Senor, who viewers probably remember as the
voice of the early invasion and occupation of Iraq, heâ€™s one of the
Romney guys. Now, as you mentionedâ€”
AMY GOODMAN: Dan Senor
is one of the spokespeople in Iraq, is married to, I think it is,
Campbell Brown, whoâ€™s just been hired by CNN to replace Paula Zahn.
NAIRN: Huckabee, who you mentioned, itâ€™s not clear who his advisers
are. Huckabee recently was attacked by Romney for being soft on crime.
So Huckabee responded, â€œSoft on crime? I executed sixteen people in
Arkansas. How many people did you execute in Massachusetts?â€ Well,
Massachusetts didnâ€™t have the death penalty. But if Huckabee were
really tough on crime, he would have used his post as governor of
Arkansas to extradite Bill Clinton to Arkansas to stand trial before
the courts there, as is permissible under international law, for the
hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths brought on by the Iraqi
sanctions during the Clinton administration. But thatâ€™s unthinkable in
American politics. It probably didnâ€™t even occur to Huckabee. But if we
had a civilized political order and we defined crime and murder
objectively, something like that would have been on the table, and
Huckabee would have been challenged on it.
Bloomberg, who may step in as the independent, using his money, heâ€™s an interesting example of another aspect.
AMY GOODMAN: The current mayor of New York.
NAIRN: Yes. One is, we ought to be enforcing the murder laws
evenhandedly, so that anyone who facilitates the killing of civilians
faces trial and jail, just like any street criminal, even if theyâ€™re a
CIA operative, even if theyâ€™re an American general, even if theyâ€™re
Two, we ought to be preventing
preventable death if we can. Kids who are defecating to death, kids who
are dying from malnutrition for the lack of a couple of dollars, we
should be stopping that every single time it can be stopped in the
world. Last year in the world, there were anywhere from three to five
million deaths of children under the age of five, children who were
suffering from malnutrition. If he had so chosenâ€”and he chose not
toâ€”Bloomberg could have personally prevented those deaths, because
according to Forbes magazine, heâ€™s worth $11.5 billion, and thatâ€™s more
than enough money, if distributed properly, to prevent that many
deaths, millions of one yearâ€™s deaths of entirely preventable, entirely
inexcusable malnutrition deaths. But it probably never even occurred to
him, and he was certainly never challenged on it politically.
we can start to challenge people on this politically. For example, in
the Iowa caucuses, weâ€™re now in a situation where, you know, we have
very bitter choices. So what are you going to do? I mean, Kucinich, who
has good positions on many of these issues, heâ€™s decided to throw in
his lot with Obama. Ralph Nader, who has good positions, heâ€™s implying
support for Edwards. OK, these are tactical choices. But one thing that
people can do in the Iowa caucuses tonight, they can go in there and
say, OK, Iâ€™m caucusing for whomever, but I am making my support
conditional on you renouncing support for the murder of civilians, on
you firing all of your advisers who have been involved in the killing
of civilians in the past, you turning them over to the International
Criminal Court if you can get the International Criminal Court to
accept it, you signing a pledge that says no more killing of civilians,
you signing a pledge that says we will prevent preventable death.
know, the right wing has been doing this for years on the issue of
taxes. They makeâ€”they go around, they make all the Republican
candidates sign a no-tax pledge. Thatâ€™s been somewhat effective. A very
similar thing could be done, and I think it could have appeal, left and
right, to anyone who is decent to have candidates pledge no more
support for killing civilians, tough on crime, enforce the murder laws,
prevent preventable deaths. Letâ€™s not have kids dying of diarrhea. If
we have spare dollars floating around that people only want, give them
to people whose bodies need them.
AMY GOODMAN: You know,
itâ€™s interesting, there is an Occupation Project, and a group of people
were just arrested in Huckabeeâ€™s offices, among them the longtime peace
activist, Nobel Peace Prize nominee several times over, Kathy Kelly,
who founded Voices in the Wilderness.
ALLAN NAIRN: Right.
Thatâ€™s a good tactic. I think we have to try many tactics from many
directions. And one possible one is, you know, getting inside things
like the Iowa caucus, getting inside things like the conventions of
both parties and threaten to create a disturbance on the floor, ruckus
on the floor, if the candidate for whom you are there as a delegate
doesnâ€™t back these simple things that should be the basis of any
civilization: no murder, save someone if you can save them.
GOODMAN: Final question, this is on a totally different issue, Allan
Nairn, our top headline, the Justice Department launching a formal
criminal investigation to the destruction of the videotapes documenting
the interrogation of two prisoners. You have long been writing about
investigating the CIA and US policy, whether itâ€™s in Central America or
Asia. What are your thoughts on the destruction of these videotapes?
NAIRN: Well, oneâ€”and who knows?â€”Iâ€™m skeptical that theyâ€™ve actually
been destroyed. I mean, anyone, you know, who works with computers
knows that itâ€™s almost impossible to truly eliminate something from a
hard disk and also that when thereâ€™s a document, there are always
multiple copies made, especially when youâ€™re in a network system. So
Iâ€™d be surprised if this thing was really destroyed.
anyway, itâ€™s unfortunate that the issue of tortureâ€”I mean, itâ€™s good
that the issue of torture has finally been put on the table of American
politics and people talk about it to some extent, but itâ€™s unfortunate
that itâ€™s been put on the table in the context of the torture of these
al-Qaeda people, these people who were openly proud killers, mass
murderers of civilians. In that context, a lot of people look at it and
say, â€œWell, yeah, look at these lowlifes. Maybe they should be
But the fact of the matter is, 90% , at least,
worldwide of cases of torture are not of people like this who are open
mass murderers. They are usually of dissidents, of rebels, or of common
criminals. And often, it is done by regimes that are armed, trained or
financed by the United States. This was the case in El Salvador. In El
Salvador, I interviewed Salvadoran military people who told of torture
training classes they got from CIA officials, and they talked about how
the CIA people would be in the room as the torture sessions were going
on. And these were not al-Qaeda types that they were torturing; these
were labor organizers, these were people who were speaking for justice,
these were peasants.
Thatâ€™s what most torture is in the
world, and it should be completely banned and abolished, not in the
soft rhetorical way that McCain is talking about it, but actually
stopping it by stopping support for all the forces that make a practice
of torture. And that would involve completely rewriting the Foreign
Operations Appropriations Bill, the Defense Appropriations Bill, and it
would also involve calling in the authorities and carrying out many US
officials in chains, because theyâ€™ve been backing this illegal stuff
AMY GOODMAN: Well, weâ€™re going to leave it
there. In talking about, by the way, the occupation of offices, it was
not only Huckabeeâ€™s office, it was also Barack Obamaâ€™s Iowa office, as
well as Mitt Romneyâ€™s Iowa office, people occupied yesterday. Allan
Nairn, I want to thank you for being with us. Your blog at â€œnewscâ€ for
â€œNews and Comment,â€ newsc.blogspot.com. And Kelley Beaucar Vlahos,
thank you for joining us from Washington, D.C. Her article appeared in
The American Conservative. The piece was called â€œWar Whisperers